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Windows Phone DOES Send Location Info ... But Does Microsoft Store It?


Posted @ 9/25/2011 4:59 PM By Paul Thurrott

 

A few weeks back, I wrote about my Windows Secrets co-author Rafael Rivera and his attempts to find out what's behind the widely-reported claims made in a recent lawsuit against Microsoft for its supposed tracking of user locations via Windows Phone. At the time, Rafael found the claim to be lacking with no real proof that Microsoft was tracking phone locations. But he said he'd look into this issue more closely once BUILD came and went.

Well, BUILD came and went. And Rafael has indeed done more testing to determine whether Microsoft is tracking the location of Windows Phone handsets without users' consent. And somewhat surprisingly, he has found that the claims are at least partially correct. That is, Windows Phone does transmit location data to Microsoft servers before the user gives consent for that activity.

"[Data is sent from Windows Phone to] agps.location.live.net and to Microsoft's Location Inference (codenamed Orion) service hosted at inference.location.live.net," he writes. "Items transmitted include (but aren't limited to) OS version, device information, [nearby] wireless access points, and various GUID-based identifiers ... This behavior appears to contradict Microsoft's earlier statements to the U.S. House of Representatives."

Now, I'd point out to conspiracy theorists that sending data does not equate to storing data. Indeed, Rafael notes as much in his post. "The question is whether the Microsoft servers in question are in fact collecting data about the phone or simply returning this information with no storage abilities," he adds. "Only Microsoft can tell us what they're doing with this information."

And why they're doing it, especially given the strenuous denials they've provided so far.

Regardless, I think the lack of proof around the storing of data gives Microsoft an out. Assuming of course they're not as evil as some believe. As always, a little transparency would go a long way here.

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Comments
  • BananaJr
    8 months ago
    Sep 27, 2011

    I'd point out to Paul that I think the conspiracy theorists have a little more to ammunition to use now that Microsoft changed the way the data is collected in the latest version of the OS. Why change it if they are not storing it and it wasn't conflicting with a written policy?

  • R
    8 months ago
    Sep 26, 2011

    @Nick De Roo,

    That's what anonymizers and/or TOR is for :) Between that, and a few other tricks, one can stay pretty well anonymous on the internet. Far as I know, smart-phones don't have this anonymizing capability. I ditched my iphone some time ago after running a packet sniffer on it, and not liking what I saw. Even an iphone with no additional applications installed beacons too much info for my tastes. Too many people don't set a high-enough value on their personal info.

  • yoshipod
    8 months ago
    Sep 26, 2011

    "People make such a big fuss about this if Microsoft does it, yet when Apple does it, they call it a feature to recover a lost phone"

    Are you kidding. You could not visit any tech site, major news site, or TV news when the story on Apple tracking location broke, without hearing about it. I have seen very little coverage of MS sending data in comparison to Apple.

    And of course, lets compare how Paul writes about this compared to what Apple did last Spring.

    http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/apple-belatedly-addresses-locationgate-admits-software-bugs-136000


  • Nick De Roo
    8 months ago
    Sep 26, 2011

    @R: And how naive are you? If you are using the Internet, you are tracked as well based on your ip address.

    People make such a big fuss about this if Microsoft does it, yet when Apple does it, they call it a feature to recover a lost phone. Honestly, when you don't do anything wrong and the information is not used for illegal or unwanted marketing purposes (I'm looking at you Google!), what's the big deal?

  • R
    8 months ago
    Sep 26, 2011

    Good grief, Paul, how naive can you be?!? Why send the data in the first place, if it's not being stored?!? This data has got to be stored somewhere...probably several places. Makes me glad I don't have a cell phone anymore.

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