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October 31, 2007 12:00 AM

Can You Hear Me Roar Now?

Looking for women in Windows IT Pro
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In her 1970s hit, Helen Reddy proclaimed that women were roaring in "numbers too big to ignore." But from where I stand, I can hardly detect a purr from the women in IT. Men send in their What's Hot picks, write Reader to Reader tips, and sometimes even appear on the cover. November's cover story, "Windows IT Pro Innovators Share Their Successes," highlights community innovators, all of which are--you guessed it--men. The innovators are deserving of their awards, but to me, the fellas' presence makes women's absence all the more noticeable. You can't convince me that there aren't many women working in IT or that they're not doing noteworthy things. So where are the women in Windows IT Pro?

Could this lack of women in our publications be a symptom of sexual discrimination in the IT workplace? (I know. I totally just went there.) In a world where it seems like discrimination accusations are on the tips of everyone's tongues, I really hate to throw in one of my own. But I can't help but consider this possibility after reading desse's comment on Megan Bearly's blog post "Motivating Women in the SQL Server Community," about the Professional Association for SQL Server (PASS) Women in IT luncheon. desse says, "Upper managements still have difficulty accepting women as [candidates], usually for family-demand reasons. I will work as long as it takes to get things done. I always work at home after hours, but I do leave to handle taking kids to acting class or band or whatever activity they are involved in. In my current position, I will never be considered a real candidate in that fashion because they think I don't have the dedication to do what is needed, when really, I just don't have a wife to do all the familial duties for me."

Women's IT forum member valoriz seems to support this idea with her comment in the "Struggles" thread. She says, "I'm in California at a conservative Aerospace supplier in an IT role. I'm seeing a few women in IT managerial roles, but unfortunately [they] report that they are repeatedly left off the meeting invitations, their responsibilities are minor, and they feel as though there is still a 'good ol' boys club' in which they are not allowed. For me, I'm supporting an engineering group, which is very predominately male. The discrimination is rampant. I am repeatedly asked to take notes in meetings. I respectfully decline and recommend an administrative assistant. Change happens slowly in some areas compared to others. I hear the Government jobs are much more equitable. Here's hoping."

But what if I'm just making a mountain out of a male-hill? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) In her blog post Megan says that she "expected at least one of the women on the panel to say that she had to fight to be equal with her male coworkers." But nobody did. And in response to the article "Resources for Women in IT," an anonymous reader says, "We have to read about how women are all upset…. We are developing a society of promoting complaining so media like this can thrive over lack of providing essential material and skills to help improve us all and achieve more within this industry."

Maybe we're trying too hard to be politically correct. The answer might be to just chill out and take after Mary B., self-proclaimed IT Granny, whose monitor bears a post-it note that reads

Offer no excuses
Give no apologies
Don't smile so much

She advises, "I'm American, but work in a country that is extremely "male biased". I've far surpassed my own expectations, and am well respected and considered one of the guys (and proud of it). Prove yourself first before expecting rewards. Good things come to those who have patience." Michelle A. Poolet seems equally in control of her surroundings and offers her perspective in a response to forum member Keatron:

I've found that if I act like a person and treat my colleagues like people, instead of differentiating based on gender, I get much farther, faster. It also helps that I'm the president of my own company... ;)
My thoughts: IT is still basically a man's world, and men and women absolutely DO think and act differently…. Your comments about not crying foul unless it truly is foul, be accountable, become an expert, learn to live with discrimination (turning it to your advantage if you get the chance)--they're all right on. In our society little girls are generally over-protected; we don't get to take the risks that little boys do as a part of growing up (unless you're a tomboy, like I was). As a result, when little girls grow up and become women, we need to shed the expectation that someone (namely, a man) will come to our rescue. It's not easy to do, but we're nothing if we're not adapable, so it can be done!

You tell me: Are women shut off from the IT community, or should I just shut up? Join the discussion at our Women in IT forum, comment on this blog post, or send me a message at chumphries@windowsitpro.com.

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  • KATH
    4 years ago
    Jan 14, 2008

    As a female in IT (consulting) I find have have to prove myself a lot more than many of my male counter parts. Because of this I find that I work much harder to really know the technologies..... a bonus to me as I am forced to really know stuff and wont "fluff it". I also find that I am always challenged and tested by my male counterparts to see if they can trip me up and because of this I am a lot sharper. One of the greatest benefits is that there are a world of men in IT... when I succeed I am one in a few so it is noticed. These poor guys are one in a sea, harder to get noticed in many cases. On the flip side failures are equally noticed, a huge incentive to succeed.

    Finally when I go to conferences etc ... I dont have to line up for the bathrooms you guys do!!!

    I consider myself very very lucky as I love the career path I have chosen. Yes it has its days, yes it is the boys club, yes I have been asked to get the coffee - I didn't and wont, but I can honestly say I love what I do!!!

    IT Chick

  • GINGER
    5 years ago
    Dec 27, 2007

    I have been in IT since 1988. I am female. I do soft. dev., db admin., troubleshooting, server and IIS admin. Of the 3 men and 1 woman (me) in my office, guess who is given the "other duties as assigned" (paperwork, meeting organization, procurements, etc...) I am a computer and gadget geek and always have been. I even fix my own plumbing and lawn mowers. However, many of the males in leadership still see things in terms of "little girl work" and "little boy work". While the males can have hours and hours of undisturbed code hacking time, hiding in their little cubicles; I get to juggle my IT duties (what I want to be doing) with my "little girl work" (the secretarial duties). Are we "wired" differently? Could be that our "wiring" isn't the problem.

  • Christan
    5 years ago
    Nov 20, 2007

    A response to some comments on this blog:


    "For all of those who believe 'it’s just that women are wired differently than men'--that’s like saying 'men are taller than women.' Many men are taller than some women. AND some women are taller than many men. Though there may be a norm, or tendency (culturally and/or biologically induced), there’s still a whole bunch of folks who just don’t fit inside that small bell curve. Culturally, we have this weird tendency to want to stuff everyone back under that curve, especially in regards to gender. These kind of arguments remind me of discussions about racism 40 years ago, where similar arguments were made about blacks just being 'wired differently' than whites.

    As to why women don’t stay in IT, I expect it is very similar to the experience of women in Engineering (my sister is a Masters level Mechanical Engineer). She introduced me to the study and book “Women in Engineering: Gender, Power and Workplace Culture” by Judith S. McIlwee and J. Gregg Robinson. It is a comprehensive academic study of the experience and astronomical drop out rate of women engineering students and engineers (http://tinyurl.com/ywcted). It is well worth reading. Though my sister survived the early brutal student days (there were over 60 women in Engineering with her as a freshman; when she graduated, she was one of two left), after working as an Engineer for about a decade, she is no longer working in Engineering because she just kept bumping up against many of the issues outlined in this study; and many of the things you and I have already put forth. It can get very tiring to battle the same stereotypes and assumptions over and over again. I know I feel it. I work with two female engineers (one mechanical and the other software) and I know they feel it too.

    As to why young girls are not interested in technical stuff--my father used to say to me, when I came home from school proud of myself for besting everyone else in the class on some topic, 'don’t be better than the boys or the boys won’t like you.' Fortunately I continued to strive to do my best, regardless of what the boys (or my father) might think. And how many times are things taken away from girls out of courtesy or politeness?: 'Here honey--let me take care of that for you…' One cannot be strong if one always has the opportunity for building strength taken away. The book 'Reviving Ophelia' by Mary Pipher, Ph.D. (http://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Ophelia-Mary-Pipher/dp/0399139443), also an academic work, does an excellent job addressing the issues of growing up female in our culture. The book offers compelling arguments--cultural arguments-- for why girls who originally excel in math and science, suddenly significantly drop in these areas upon reaching adolescence.

    Many of those stressors and assumptions are fully alive for adult women too."

  • Christan
    5 years ago
    Nov 20, 2007

    Another reader, Scott, wrote:

    "You ask are women shut off in the IT Community? Not mine. Until recently I was an Army of one. Now I have as an assistant; one bona fide, technical assistant, qualified and ready to work. When I was looking to hire believe it or not, one of my personal goals was to hire… yes… a woman....
    I do want to say however when making comparisons such as IT Innovators, that you need to look at the sheer numbers of men versus women before you start lamenting about why they were all men. We can’t simply ignore an innovator because we don’t have enough females on the list. How would you feel if you were put on the list of innovators not because you were an innovator but because somebody thought they needed a 'token' female on there to look politically correct. If you start putting one gender before another you are simply going back to what we had before; gender bias.

    Face it, a majority of women still gravitate towards the non technical job roles. I hate to see where the media makes women look bad by virtue of them taking on more 'traditional' roles in the workforce. A women is no less a person because she takes a role in society that other more powerful women think is beneath them.

    I think that if all women and all men could understand and embrace our differences the workforce would be a much better place… We are different and no matter how many laws are passed or bras burned we are still different. Recognize that and you will reap the benefits of the opportunities placed before you with that knowledge.

    Maybe I live with my head in the clouds but my generation (X) does not carry with it the preconceived notions of what a women is or what she should (could) be. Heck you should see the looks I get when I tell a bunch of men I like baking and decorating cakes in my spare time."

    Now I'm hungry for cake. . . and for more answers!

    Let me first say that I think all of our Innovators were well-deserving of their awards. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't have wanted any of them to be bumped for a "token" winner. Also, I have plenty of friends--including my mother--who are stay-at-home mothers/wives and aren't pursuing a more (so-called) "powerful" career. And I don't see them as less influential or important than those that do work in the business worlds.

    I'll say to you what I said to Scott: I suppose my question is not "Is it OK that there aren't many women in IT?" but instead "Why aren't there many women in IT?" Scott seemed to say that it's because of how women are wired, but he also mentions how well-suited his assistant is for her job and how much he appreciates her work performance and qualities.

    So why is there such a disconnect between the career and such great candidates? Do women just not know how well they'd do at this type of career? Or do they just not care? Sadly, the anonymous reader's message brought me back to what I feared when I first wrote on this topic: Maybe women aren't given the chance.

    And, for the record, why would any (mature) person want a poster with a hot babe on it? (Don't answer that.)

  • Christan
    5 years ago
    Nov 20, 2007

    I've received some emails about this Savvy Assistant entry, and I'd like for the readers' voices to be heard here on the blog.

    One anonymous reader shared with me:

    "I believe being a women working in IT does certainly add an extra layer of challenge.…
    From the small issues through larger ones, I believe that most people, men and women--without realizing it--have an inherent concern that a woman may not fully understand the complexities of a technical problem, may not get to the solution, or may not get to that solution as fast as their male counterparts.
    Recently I had a fellow attendee at a conference flat out tell me that women aren’t as attentive at solving his technical issues (i.e., when he calls tech support), and he found that instead they just focus on making him feel better.…
    In summary, I feel the need to always be especially on my toes; I may be the other person’s only experience working with a woman on a technical topic, so to make a gaff of any kind not only reflects on me, but on all womankind. And there already is, in general, a predilection to believe that as woman, I’m not going to cut it. I fear if I make one error, I’ve lost any credibility I’ve painstakingly built.
    In most cases, I don’t feel there is any maliciousness to this bias. I think it’s just one of those unexamined biases that the majority of us don’t realize we have. Including myself. It’s so pervasive I don’t think we notice it.…
    Yet my minority status is obvious via any of the following: The occasional gender reference by [a workshop] teacher (the user needing help is typically female; the IT professional is male); Videos, intended to be entertaining, played during a break; marginally sexist jokes (often about wives); contests with prizes very much geared towards 'the guys' (why would I want a poster with a hot babe on it?). None that offends me as makes me feel singled out.…"

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