March 10, 2010 09:36 AM

Ex Sun CEO: Steve Jobs Threatened Me, Too

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Former Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz this week said he understands how Google must feel in the wake of Apple's patent-infringement lawsuit against Android phone maker HTC. As it turns out, Apple CEO Steve Jobs threatened to sue him as well. So did Microsoft.

"In 2003, after I unveiled a prototype Linux desktop called Project Looking Glass, Steve [Jobs] called my office to let me know the graphical effects were 'stepping all over Apple's [intellectual property]'," Schwartz wrote in his blog. "If we moved forward to commercialize it," Jobs allegedly told Schwartz, "I'll just sue you."

Not so fast, Schwartz warned Jobs. He noted that Apple's Keynote presentation tool clearly used intellectual property that Schwartz's previous company had developed for NeXT, the company Jobs left when he was forced out of Apple in the 1980s. "And last I checked, MacOS is now built on UNIX. I think Sun has a few OS patents, too."

Jobs, he says, was silent. But the important bit was that Apple didn't sue. And according to industry experts, that is often how intellectual property works. Companies line up patents so that they can use them as leverage against other companies. So, if the threat of a lawsuit emerges, a company can point out potential legal issues with its own products as well.

"Bluster and threat are commonplace in business," Schwartz writes. "Especially the technology business."

Jobs wasn't the only high-profile technology executive to threaten Sun. Later, Microsoft's Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer arrived in Schwartz's Silicon Valley office to discuss OpenOffice.org, Sun's open-source office-productivity solution. "Microsoft owns the office-productivity market, and our patents read all over OpenOffice," Gates apparently told Schwartz, telling him that Sun would have pay Microsoft a licensing fee for each copy of OpenOffice it gave away. (OpenOffice is free.)

Likening this deal to a "digital version of a protection racket," Schwartz declined, and noted that Microsoft's .NET programming environment was "trampling all over a huge number of Java patents." He suggested that Microsoft could then, in turn, pay Sun a licensing fee for each copy of Windows it sold, since the .NET environment ships in Microsoft's OS.

Gates demurred, noting that royalties didn't fit in the Windows business model. "It was a short meeting," Schwartz said.

Ruminating over his experiences, Schwartz looks at the current patent litigation situation—in addition to the Apple/HTC spat, Nokia and Apple are also suing each other—and notes that relying on the courts with frivolous litigation is an act of desperation. "Suing a competitor typically makes them more relevant, not less," he adds. "Apple's actions are enhancing developer interest in Google's Android platform."

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duanewatson,

I'm glad you agree with the ridiculous comment about the ipad SKU. To see the bias, look at the very next short take. Its about Windows Phone 7 supporting multiple screen sizes.

Nothing there saying it's confusing or pointless. Nothing confusing about different ship dates for that product based on configuration. Nothing negative, only positive, where he says the software will scale the image, and it will look good.

"Each device type will include scaling hardware capabilities so that an application or game written for one will workand look goodon the other."

So although he has not seen it himself ("I heard about this news during my Windows Phone meeting this week, but apparently Microsoft just blogged about it as well"), he claims it will look good.

That is the bias. Two products, both showing similar traits (various configurations and ship dates) yet the Apple product is pointless and confusing. The Microsoft product, despite not seeing it, and not shipping for another 6-9 months, will look good. Apple product is given negative spin, Microsoft product positive.


yoshipod3/12/2010 1:40:50 PM


yoshipod:

I can see how you think Paul is overly criticizing Apple for six skus on the iPad; I might even agree with you. But that does not come from Paul's supposed MS bias. I have heard him on numerous occasions bemoan MS's foolish and confusing skus for Windows.

In both cases, I have two reactions: 1) I don't find them confusing at all and 2) Normal, non-geek people are easily confused by even simple things in technology. Now, you could argue that someone interested in the iPad would not be one of those people, but Apple has specifically marketed this device to those type of people. Everything's supposed to be "simple" and we're not supposed to worry about things like Flash, removable storage, and multi-tasking.

So, is Paul overreacting: maybe; but biased? I don't think so.

duanewatson3/12/2010 1:01:05 PM


duanewatson,

If you want an example of Paul's biased writing, look no further than his comments in todays Wininfo short takes.

"Apple is allowing customers to preorder the iPad today, and the arrival times for the device versions are as confusing as the pointlessly confusing six models the company is offering. Wi-Fi-based versions of the iPad in 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB capacities will ship April 3 (and be available for in-store pick-up at some Apple Store locations), and 3G-enabled versions in 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB capacities will ship at some unspecified time in late April"

All of a sudden, its confusing that Apple is offering different configurations of the ipad. Its "pointless" to have all these differences, which boil down to storage size and 3G capability.



yoshipod3/12/2010 11:08:50 AM


"Wow, people are really polite in the comments.

I seriously wonder if the few people here really understand how foolish they are with their childish, mean comment?"

Or they might actually be trolling to get a reaction.

Still childish, but it would mean they're aware of the foolishness, but just don't care.

'Course, I'll probably get blasted on commenting on other commenters, but honestly, it's just unappealing.

NoNameAtAll3/12/2010 9:44:13 AM


Wow, people are really polite in the comments.

I seriously wonder if the few people here really understand how foolish they are with their childish, mean comment?

Delmont3/12/2010 9:17:12 AM


Paul, that was a good post. Steve Jobs is big to threaten people for "stealing" from him. Even though Xerox sued Apple for stealing ideas from both the Xerox Alto Workstation & Star OS prototypes to help perfect both the Lisa & the Macintosh. Apple paid for the visit, but didn't pay one cent for any of Xerox's Intellectual Property.

http://bit.ly/j2ViJ

But didn't Steve Jobs say in the PBS documentary Triumph of the Nerds in 1996, "Picasso had a saying, "Good artist copy, great artist steal." And we have you know been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas."

So it's okay for Apple & Steve Jobs to commit intellectual property theft, undermine patents, & rip off others but every else can't? Cue the double standards.

yoshipod - Did you forget that this is the same Paul Thurrott who wrote "Where Vista fails?" The same Thurrott who famously bashed Windows Mobile, version after version for years? The same Paul Thurrott who highly criticized Microsoft for the Xbox 360 failures. The same one who just wrote recently Microsoft: Just like IBM?

Taking off the rose colored glasses & putting aside your own personal beliefs might help you to find Paul's maverick style writing. He's not the Microsoft suck-up that Logjam & others are trying to paint him as.

I just think fan-boys are mad because no matter what Apple does, Microsoft beats Apple on the PC space without really trying. There are more pirated Windows versions than OS-X machines.

I'm more into what Google is doing than Microsoft. Chrome browser, Chromium OS, Android, & the rest is a lot more interesting. Apple is stuck in the ultimate "Kobayashi Maru" scenario, where they can't beat Microsoft. Even cheating, Microsoft wins. Google's right behind Apple, breathing down their neck. Apple's created lots of enemies & they can sue back too.

Apple's now tasting the other side of success, when others innovate past you, & suing the competition is the only option so you don't fall away.

subzerohitman7213/12/2010 3:06:06 AM


I have to agree with duanewatson on this one. Paul loves Apple products, even to the point of being the only Apple TV user left in the universe.

He will often criticize MS. He also has a great sense of humor.

If you want to hear a shill, listen to Alex Linsey on MacBreak Weekly.

Greg3/11/2010 1:31:27 PM


Yoshipod: Paul has regularly praised Apple devices such as the iPhone and iPod Touch; they even had a running joke on Windows Weekly for a bit to the effect, "Here we go talking about Apple (favorably) again on a Microsoft show." What he doesn't do is fawn all over Apple, getting off on everything Steve Jobs says.

He continually criticizes MS's completely failure in naming and marketing products, their byzantine corporate structure, and numerous other things. I haven't read Windows IT Pro for very long (coming to it from the aforementioned Windows Weekly), so maybe there's a difference in tone from this publication to the podcast, but if you compare Thurott on WW with the Mac guys on Macbreak Weekly, there's a world of difference.

Duane3/11/2010 10:09:41 AM


"One thing I like about Paul's coverage is that he's pretty even in his criticism of all tech companies, as this article points out. Plus, I agree that focusing on Apple in the headline is perfectly acceptable given current events."

You must be reading a different Paul Thurrott than I am. Paul is one of the most blatantly biased writers out there. Just about everything Microsoft does is great, when they make mistakes, for the most part, he apologizes for them. In his view, ,most of what Apple does is terrible, he pounces on them for the smallest thing, like the ipad shipping 4 days later than announced. Praise to Apple is rare.

The article is certainly relevant given the past weeks events, but the headline is biased.

13/11/2010 9:45:31 AM


I read this blog regularly but have never before commented. Today I had to register just because I've pretty much had it with LogJam. What does it take to get trolls like this banned? I mean seriously, I'm all for free speech and everything but when it is nothing but mean spirited and rude comments, what is the benefit of allowing this person to post? Paul Thurrott is a good tech journalist who exhibits integrity...something severely lacking in the field these days. He is obviously a Microsoft guy and I don't think he has ever claimed not to be. This is a site that deals primarily with news about Microsoft so if you don't like the content, then take a hike. There are plenty of apple praising sites out there so go find yourself one. Apple is a great company with great products.

Absolutely nobody needs your comments LogJam. Nobody. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than make condescending comments? Why are you so bitter? If we can get a petition signed to get this person banned, I swear I'll be the first to sign.

Thank you for your reporting Paul and thanks to other posters who leave worthwhile comments.

Nathan3/10/2010 10:30:15 PM


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