Google Threatens to Pull Out of China After Cyber-Attack

"BTW Im not swallowing the crap that the chinese government is pulling, Im simply saying that to approach such an entity, you need to approach them positively."

Riiiiight.

Did you not see the comment that started this thread? Here's the relevant section in case you missed it: "For decades now we've continued to do business with China and have seen no change. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

But you don't understand that. Instead, you yell out: "AGAIN, EXAMINE YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND APPROACH YOUR ENEMIES POSITIVELY."

OK. I am "positively" convinced that China would like nothing better than to destroy the Country that I love so much and turn North America into a dictatorship under their brutal rule. I am positively convinced that I am right. I am positively comfortable with pulling out of China and letting their government whither on the vine without our support. I am positively certain that they need us more than we need them, and that the combined human and natural resources available in North America are more than enough to assure our self-sufficiency. I'm am positively positive that your way is the wrong way.

Hey, you're right! That DOES feel good!

I think both Google and China need reform. I do agree that engagement is good and I highly encourage it. But frankly, all the companies need to tell China no to the censorship or face a worldwide blocking to all internet sites outside of China. That would really force the Chinese to accept a free and unfettered market if everyone from Amazon.com, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Yahoo, and everyone else said take it or face world wide abandonment.

On the same token, Google needs to do more to empower individuals with greater privacy controls. They can build filters to allow people to opt out of internet searches, block their content, and allow people to be somewhat anonymous on the net. I understand that this might help some badguys, but if you give up a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security, you end up deserving neither. There is a middle ground that must be found.

I agree that some engagement is good, but China hacking networks just to find its political enemies is absolutely unacceptable. Also, the chinese hacking other foreign government's websites and civilian services are also absolutely unacceptable. So both Google and China have work to do.

Christopher, I couldn't agree with you more :D

Lotamystuff: "II once listened to the CEO of a company I worked for make the same arguments that you make, "sparkler". He got on his knees and swallowed the pitch that the Chinese gave him, and that company is now on the ropes and barely surviving."

How does this have to do with China? The political or opinions of a person doesn't affect his company....? How exactly did Chinese government make his company fail?

BTW Im not swallowing the crap that the chinese government is pulling, Im simply saying that to approach such an entity, you need to approach them positively. If google leaves china, that is a blow to humanity around the world and a win for the chinese government....This is my logic NOT something that the chinese government shoved down my throat.
Then you'll say that the chinese government wanted me to say this, wanted people to think this, but that goes onto the field of reverse psychology, and to suspect something so much more improbable and complicated is not reasonable...
AGAIN, EXAMINE YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND APPROACH YOUR ENEMIES POSITIVELY...

There is a back-story here that isn't published and I really am curious what it happens to be. Google is in fact fundamentally evil. This "do no evil" thing makes a great bumper sticker. Leaving due to human rights? Nah, that's a cover story. They would have never gone into business there in the first place if they really felt that way.

Has anyone looked at their financials? I'm wondering if they're bleeding red over there, and this is just a convenient, and bold excuse to get out without adversely impacting share value by saying, "We're utterly failing in the world's largest single market." Which would instantly remove billions in value from their shares. This way, they wrap their excuse in altruism and the market doesn't burp.

I mean seriously, Google is upset with Chinese hackers and wants them to stop? Really? Naive much? It doesn't matter where your company is located, the Chinese government will try to break in for whatever they deem necessary. There will never be any repercussions because they already own several trillion of our debt. We provided the only usable weapon they have, since their nuclear deterrent isn't actually big enough to remove us. Plus their leaders stay in power for decades, so they can take the long-view and crank the screws very slowly.

Sometimes I wonder if everyone in DC wakes up in the morning and tries to come up with creative ideas to super-glue themselves to someone they hate.